[fvc-wat-disc] Material for door to door discussions
Jay Judkowitz
judkowitz at gmail.com
Thu Aug 15 17:32:06 EDT 2019
Will do!
On Thu, Aug 15, 2019, 5:25 PM Jennifer Ross <2jennross at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Jay. There is a discussion going on on the Fair Vote Canada discussion
> list on pretty much exactly this topic right this minute. Would you like
> to join the googlegroup
>
> pr_discussion_group at googlegroups.com
> and post it there as well? It would seem to be under Thread Discipline,
> which right away tells you how successful that's been, LOL. You might want
> to please the guy and start a new subject line of "Material for door to
> door discussions"
>
> Jenn
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> No other Western democratic country concentrates as much political power in
> the hands of one person as Canada does with her Prime Minister.
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 4:09 PM Catherine Campbell <cdcampbell9 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Great idea
>>
>> On Aug 15, 2019, at 2:52 PM, Jay Judkowitz <judkowitz at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> FairVoters,
>>
>> I had to explain PR to my 10 year old daughter after our last
>> meeting and came up with this two tab spreadsheet (which can easily be
>> printed out on a single sheet 8.5x11 sheet of paper - one tab per side). I
>> was thinking that something like this could help us guide door to door
>> conversations if we decide to take that route. I'd love your feedback on
>> this idea generally, and the content specifically.
>>
>> Tab 1
>> <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xyUjwYo6TpwejEdCXbSxm11ooXFACKQAFIoZ3_mMqrg/edit#gid=1710981120> is
>> a setup. It's the results of an election in a mythical country with 11
>> ridings and 21,000 people in each riding. Each cell is 1000 votes. Tab 1
>> asks four questions of the listener about what they thought would be fair
>> and democratic. There is no pitch for PR at this point and no criticism of
>> FPTP. Just try to get people's gut feel on the questions. (My daughter's
>> gut feel on what would be fair and good aligned with our values for PR)
>>
>> Tab 2
>> <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xyUjwYo6TpwejEdCXbSxm11ooXFACKQAFIoZ3_mMqrg/edit#gid=0> is
>> the results with FPTP and PR. It shows the distortion of FPTP and explains
>> why that's bad. And, the whole 39% of the votes = 100% of the power is
>> exactly what happened in 2011 and 2015 as we know. Now presumably, the
>> listeners answered the questions reasonably in the first tab and will be
>> shocked by the results in the second tab. Then we explain how PR can get
>> more closely aligned to their expectations of fairness and democracy.
>>
>> What do you think of that approach of engaging with people -
>> starting with the questions and letting them come to the conclusion that
>> FPTP sucks on their own?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Jay
>>
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