[fvc-wat-disc] Material for door to door discussions

Thu Aug 15 23:26:15 EDT 2019

The 'discovery' method is the best way to teach ... when students have a
eureka moment and the light goes on, you've won them over ... hard to
implement when teaching physics though, since you have to cover 400 years
of 'discovery' by Nobel prize winners.

For door-to-door, there's no time for discovery ... the host is probably
busy with a million things on his/her mind and in a hurry ... you must use
talking points (ugh) ...

1. 23% of the vote gets 23% of the seats
2. every vote counts equally
3. no need to vote strategically - you can vote your conscience
4. the cross section (party share of seats) of coalition government varies
little from election to election, so the current government tweaks and
improves the legislation of the previous government instead of gutting it.
GOOD FOR LONG TERM PLANNING!

NEVER get into the nitty gritty of how to accomplish the dividing up of
seats ... it doesn't matter to the voter and such discussion only
reinforces anti-PR propaganda that PR is impossible to understand ...
UNLESS the host insists ... then go ahead, but use the SIMPLEST example of
PR possible!

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On Thu, 15 Aug 2019 at 17:32, Jay Judkowitz <judkowitz at gmail.com> wrote:

> Will do!
>
> On Thu, Aug 15, 2019, 5:25 PM Jennifer Ross <2jennross at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Jay.  There is a discussion going on on the Fair Vote Canada
>> discussion list on pretty much exactly this topic right this minute.  Would
>> you like to join the googlegroup
>>
>> pr_discussion_group at googlegroups.com
>> and post it there as well?  It would seem to be under Thread Discipline,
>> which right away tells you how successful that's been, LOL.  You might want
>> to please the guy and start a new subject line of "Material for door to
>> door discussions"
>>
>> Jenn
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>> No other Western democratic country concentrates as much political power in
>> the hands of one person as Canada does with her Prime Minister.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 4:09 PM Catherine Campbell <cdcampbell9 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Great idea
>>>
>>> On Aug 15, 2019, at 2:52 PM, Jay Judkowitz <judkowitz at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> FairVoters,
>>>
>>>      I had to explain PR to my 10 year old daughter after our last
>>> meeting and came up with this two tab spreadsheet (which can easily be
>>> printed out on a single sheet 8.5x11 sheet of paper - one tab per side).  I
>>> was thinking that something like this could help us guide door to door
>>> conversations if we decide to take that route.  I'd love your feedback on
>>> this idea generally, and the content specifically.
>>>
>>>      Tab 1
>>> <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xyUjwYo6TpwejEdCXbSxm11ooXFACKQAFIoZ3_mMqrg/edit#gid=1710981120> is
>>> a setup.  It's the results of an election in a mythical country with 11
>>> ridings and 21,000 people in each riding.  Each cell is 1000 votes.  Tab 1
>>> asks four questions of the listener about what they thought would be fair
>>> and democratic.  There is no pitch for PR at this point and no criticism of
>>> FPTP.  Just try to get people's gut feel on the questions.  (My daughter's
>>> gut feel on what would be fair and good aligned with our values for PR)
>>>
>>>      Tab 2
>>> <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xyUjwYo6TpwejEdCXbSxm11ooXFACKQAFIoZ3_mMqrg/edit#gid=0> is
>>> the results with FPTP and PR.  It shows the distortion of FPTP and explains
>>> why that's bad.  And, the whole 39% of the votes = 100% of the power is
>>> exactly what happened in 2011 and 2015 as we know.  Now presumably, the
>>> listeners answered the questions reasonably in the first tab and will be
>>> shocked by the results in the second tab.  Then we explain how PR can get
>>> more closely aligned to their expectations of fairness and democracy.
>>>
>>>       What do you think of that approach of engaging with people -
>>> starting with the questions and letting them come to the conclusion that
>>> FPTP sucks on their own?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Jay
>>>
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