[fvc-wat-disc] Material for door to door discussions

[Jay Judkowitz]

Thanks.  This is very good feedback.  I really appreciate it.

On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 11:26 PM Donald Fraser <donaldafraser at gmail.com>
wrote:

> The 'discovery' method is the best way to teach ... when students have a
> eureka moment and the light goes on, you've won them over ... hard to
> implement when teaching physics though, since you have to cover 400 years
> of 'discovery' by Nobel prize winners.
>
> For door-to-door, there's no time for discovery ... the host is probably
> busy with a million things on his/her mind and in a hurry ... you must use
> talking points (ugh) ...
>
> 1. 23% of the vote gets 23% of the seats
> 2. every vote counts equally
> 3. no need to vote strategically - you can vote your conscience
> 4. the cross section (party share of seats) of coalition government varies
> little from election to election, so the current government tweaks and
> improves the legislation of the previous government instead of gutting it.
> GOOD FOR LONG TERM PLANNING!
>
> NEVER get into the nitty gritty of how to accomplish the dividing up of
> seats ... it doesn't matter to the voter and such discussion only
> reinforces anti-PR propaganda that PR is impossible to understand ...
> UNLESS the host insists ... then go ahead, but use the SIMPLEST example of
> PR possible!
>
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> On Thu, 15 Aug 2019 at 17:32, Jay Judkowitz <judkowitz at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Will do!
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 15, 2019, 5:25 PM Jennifer Ross <2jennross at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Jay.  There is a discussion going on on the Fair Vote Canada
>>> discussion list on pretty much exactly this topic right this minute.  Would
>>> you like to join the googlegroup
>>>
>>> pr_discussion_group at googlegroups.com
>>> and post it there as well?  It would seem to be under Thread Discipline,
>>> which right away tells you how successful that's been, LOL.  You might want
>>> to please the guy and start a new subject line of "Material for door to
>>> door discussions"
>>>
>>> Jenn
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>>> No other Western democratic country concentrates as much political power in
>>> the hands of one person as Canada does with her Prime Minister.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 4:09 PM Catherine Campbell <
>>> cdcampbell9 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Great idea
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 15, 2019, at 2:52 PM, Jay Judkowitz <judkowitz at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> FairVoters,
>>>>
>>>>      I had to explain PR to my 10 year old daughter after our last
>>>> meeting and came up with this two tab spreadsheet (which can easily be
>>>> printed out on a single sheet 8.5x11 sheet of paper - one tab per side).  I
>>>> was thinking that something like this could help us guide door to door
>>>> conversations if we decide to take that route.  I'd love your feedback on
>>>> this idea generally, and the content specifically.
>>>>
>>>>      Tab 1
>>>> <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xyUjwYo6TpwejEdCXbSxm11ooXFACKQAFIoZ3_mMqrg/edit#gid=1710981120> is
>>>> a setup.  It's the results of an election in a mythical country with 11
>>>> ridings and 21,000 people in each riding.  Each cell is 1000 votes.  Tab 1
>>>> asks four questions of the listener about what they thought would be fair
>>>> and democratic.  There is no pitch for PR at this point and no criticism of
>>>> FPTP.  Just try to get people's gut feel on the questions.  (My daughter's
>>>> gut feel on what would be fair and good aligned with our values for PR)
>>>>
>>>>      Tab 2
>>>> <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xyUjwYo6TpwejEdCXbSxm11ooXFACKQAFIoZ3_mMqrg/edit#gid=0> is
>>>> the results with FPTP and PR.  It shows the distortion of FPTP and explains
>>>> why that's bad.  And, the whole 39% of the votes = 100% of the power is
>>>> exactly what happened in 2011 and 2015 as we know.  Now presumably, the
>>>> listeners answered the questions reasonably in the first tab and will be
>>>> shocked by the results in the second tab.  Then we explain how PR can get
>>>> more closely aligned to their expectations of fairness and democracy.
>>>>
>>>>       What do you think of that approach of engaging with people -
>>>> starting with the questions and letting them come to the conclusion that
>>>> FPTP sucks on their own?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Jay
>>>>
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