[fvc-wat-disc] Material for door to door discussions

[Jay Judkowitz]

Never mind.  I see it now.  Sorry for the extra mail.

On Sun, Aug 18, 2019, 10:02 AM Jay Judkowitz <judkowitz at gmail.com> wrote:

> What is the subject of the mail thread I should be looking at the see the
> existing discussion?
>
> On Thu, Aug 15, 2019, 5:25 PM Jennifer Ross <2jennross at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Jay.  There is a discussion going on on the Fair Vote Canada
>> discussion list on pretty much exactly this topic right this minute.  Would
>> you like to join the googlegroup
>>
>> pr_discussion_group at googlegroups.com
>> and post it there as well?  It would seem to be under Thread Discipline,
>> which right away tells you how successful that's been, LOL.  You might want
>> to please the guy and start a new subject line of "Material for door to
>> door discussions"
>>
>> Jenn
>> Bookkeeping Services
>> 519-501-2736
>> No other Western democratic country concentrates as much political power in
>> the hands of one person as Canada does with her Prime Minister.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 4:09 PM Catherine Campbell <cdcampbell9 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Great idea
>>>
>>> On Aug 15, 2019, at 2:52 PM, Jay Judkowitz <judkowitz at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> FairVoters,
>>>
>>>      I had to explain PR to my 10 year old daughter after our last
>>> meeting and came up with this two tab spreadsheet (which can easily be
>>> printed out on a single sheet 8.5x11 sheet of paper - one tab per side).  I
>>> was thinking that something like this could help us guide door to door
>>> conversations if we decide to take that route.  I'd love your feedback on
>>> this idea generally, and the content specifically.
>>>
>>>      Tab 1
>>> <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xyUjwYo6TpwejEdCXbSxm11ooXFACKQAFIoZ3_mMqrg/edit#gid=1710981120> is
>>> a setup.  It's the results of an election in a mythical country with 11
>>> ridings and 21,000 people in each riding.  Each cell is 1000 votes.  Tab 1
>>> asks four questions of the listener about what they thought would be fair
>>> and democratic.  There is no pitch for PR at this point and no criticism of
>>> FPTP.  Just try to get people's gut feel on the questions.  (My daughter's
>>> gut feel on what would be fair and good aligned with our values for PR)
>>>
>>>      Tab 2
>>> <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xyUjwYo6TpwejEdCXbSxm11ooXFACKQAFIoZ3_mMqrg/edit#gid=0> is
>>> the results with FPTP and PR.  It shows the distortion of FPTP and explains
>>> why that's bad.  And, the whole 39% of the votes = 100% of the power is
>>> exactly what happened in 2011 and 2015 as we know.  Now presumably, the
>>> listeners answered the questions reasonably in the first tab and will be
>>> shocked by the results in the second tab.  Then we explain how PR can get
>>> more closely aligned to their expectations of fairness and democracy.
>>>
>>>       What do you think of that approach of engaging with people -
>>> starting with the questions and letting them come to the conclusion that
>>> FPTP sucks on their own?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Jay
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> This is the fvc-wat-disc mailing list
>>> Post a message: fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org
>>> Unsubscribe:
>>> http://listserv.thinkers.org/mailman/listinfo/fvc-wat-disc_listserv.thinkers.org
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> This is the fvc-wat-disc mailing list
>>> Post a message: fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org
>>> Unsubscribe:
>>> http://listserv.thinkers.org/mailman/listinfo/fvc-wat-disc_listserv.thinkers.org
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> This is the fvc-wat-disc mailing list
>> Post a message: fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org
>> Unsubscribe:
>> http://listserv.thinkers.org/mailman/listinfo/fvc-wat-disc_listserv.thinkers.org
>>
>
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://listserv.thinkers.org/pipermail/fvc-wat-disc_listserv.thinkers.org/attachments/20190818/fbdeee57/attachment-0002.htm>